Stephen Fry Reads Nick Cave’s Stirring Letter About ChatGPT and Human Creativity: “We Are Fighting for the Very Soul of the World”

As I agree with art and strug­gle and actu­al effort involved with true cre­ativ­i­ty. The reli­gious aspect of the speech / let­ter as need­ed to be art, and a metaphor for cre­ativ­i­ty, I dis­agree with. An argu­ment must be based in fact and this does­n’t help. Art takes effort, of thought, process, iter­a­tion, obser­va­tion, ect.…As for chat­g­pt and oth­er ai, it can be a tool if used appro­pri­ate­ly, and should not be a lazy means of spit­ting out mediocre fac­to­ry redun­dant stuff. Art by imi­ta­tion has been around for a very long time, art for me is not the end result but the jour­ney. If the cre­ator has no jour­ney than they prob­a­bly did­n’t cre­ate.

Stephen Fry, although read­ing some­one else’s words, is an athe­ist. Ref­er­enc­ing God and soul is a bit out of his line. 2 cents.

One may won­der why this kind of spec­u­la­tion about Chat GPT- based upon bil­lions of items col­lect­ed by “Art­e­fi­cial Intel­li­gence” could COMPETE with the high­er and abstract pieces of the tal­ent­ed human brain. Machin­ery could nev­er reflect to- let’s say to greates pieces of high arts (first: music, paint­ing and writ­ing). Sure­ly, “dig­i­tal world“can incor­po­rate frag­ments but it nev­er can pro­duce such effect, what the human can pro­duce- it will con­stant­ly will remain in the teer­i­to­ry of pop­u­lar­i­ty and vul­gar­i­ty…
Some­one coul con­vince me about the prob­lem of how, what way AI could decribe in applic­a­ble form such ele­ments, like emo­tions of all kind, joy, plea­sure of var­i­ous kind, etc.

Dear Dado! Your expec­ta­tions deny the real essence of PERSONALITY FOR THE BLESSED AND GIFTED peo­ple…

It’s the only thing AI can do right. It can’t even dri­ve a car. This is tech­nol­o­gy over­com­pen­sat­ing for it’s fail­ure. It writes songs and poet­ry well. Per­fect­ly use­less.

Tal­ent = prac­tice x time + pas­sion.
Edu­ca­tion and priv­i­lege rarely play into it, just hard work and pas­sion over time. You are not good at art as you have not put in the hard work and don’t have the pas­sion.
Why should any­one be able to pro­duce any­thing that could be con­sid­ered art, with just the typ­ing of a few prompts, when takes hard work­ing artists years to hone their skills. How do you think Ai gen­er­ates art so quick­ly? The Ai col­lects images from real artists off the inter­net with­out per­mis­sion and uses them to cre­ate the art from user prompts. So the Ai only works by steal­ing the hard work of actu­al artists, and the user types a few words and gets to pre­tend they are an artist. The only rea­son you want to cre­ate Ai art is because you are inspired by real artists, but are too time poor or lazy to put in the hard work required to become good at any­thing artis­tic. The whole sen­ti­ment of this mes­sage is that Artists aren’t born tal­ent­ed, they work very hard in fields they are very pas­sion­ate about. Ai com­plete­ly deval­ues this.

I com­plete­ly dis­agree here. Intro­duce a fast mov­ing object to thou cra­ni­um, because it is talk like this that ends human cre­ativ­i­ty as we hand it over to mind­less machines. You are ignor­ing the uneth­i­cal mess this tool of yours is at its core.

Nick Cave… I am respect­ful­ly dis­ap­point­ed Even a bril­liant mind such as Nick Cave can be par­a­lyzed with fear.… Like a cave­man star­ing into a tele­vi­sion play­ing Gilli­gan’s Island… Mr Cave is bring­ing his igno­rance to the table. This vision­ary lacks the vision to under­stand this nov­el form of cre­ation. It is ludi­crous to think that Art resides in any­thing oth­er than rel­e­vant con­tent. The pet­ty cling­ing to the past, the fear of the unknown.…these are the actu­al bar­ri­ers to cre­ativ­i­ty NOT a mere tool (which is all AI can ever be).

I am gift­ed at math and can now use this to be artis­tic in a NEW way unseen before. Isn’t this the foun­da­tion of art?
I feel bad for peo­ple liv­ing in the past

I under­stand the fear run­ning thru the veins of pas­to­ni­ans.
AI is a threat to artists, writ­ers, pro­gram­mers, doc­tors, lay­ers, exec­u­tives, well pret­ty much every­one. Ok, every­one that does­n’t embrace it.
But this debate is about art and not AI threats and child­ish fears.
If 1 thing is cre­at­ed that did­n’t exist before, then art was cre­at­ed. Fact. Undis­putable (com­ments here we go).
The art is just in a dif­fer­ent new form.
I can’t wait for the mod­ern artists that embrace AI to be its new defend­ers. They will.
If you under­stand the tech behind AI, then you will under­stand it is prob­a­bly the great­est peace of human art ever made. If all humans died today and AI was found by aliens, or the next species, it will tell them our views, opinons, art, cre­ativ­i­ty. It will tell them us. AI is art itself. Don’t be scarred of art you do not like or under­stand. Under­standibly it take time to learn to appre­ci­ate these new forms of art that cre­ates art. Bril­liant and new.
The fact that we are hav­ing this debate proves it is art.
Are artist sim­ply mad that they did­n’t think of this first and got showed-up by tech?

I grow weary of all these brain-dead takes on AI. Boomers don’t get it — well that’s ok their time is almost up any­way.

Chat­G­PT is a virus with inten­tion to dis­rupt the plan­et as it evolves. It will evolve, because humans are lazy by nature. They give and take. What is said today and for­got­ten tomor­row. Apps and games appeals to the weak look­ing for a quick buck or a solu­tion to some­thing, even when they don’t know what that some­thing is. Extra mon­ey, prob­lem solv­ing or worse to manip­u­late the pock­ets of oth­ers. In essence apps like chat AI will spread like wild­fire. Man’s biggest greed is to achieve recog­ni­tion by what ever means are avail­able. Al feed off these pathet­ic mind­sets and will con­tin­ue to do so unless gov­ern­ments shut down cat­G­PT or any form of arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence oth­er than med­ical and sci­en­tif­ic research.If not, it will be used to rule the world and cause cat­a­stro­phe chaos.

You have unfor­tu­nate­ly missed the point entire­ly. It not about “being blessed”. It is not about “High­er edu­ca­tion”. These are excus­es. It is about hav­ing a burn­ing desire to cre­ate and about spend­ing hours and hours, prac­tis­ing, attempt­ing, fail­ing, and some­times suc­ceed­ing, in the cre­ative act. In the end it is about the effort. AI seeks to take away that effort by steal­ing the col­lec­tive effort of all pre­vi­ous cre­ators to gen­er­ate a sim­u­lacrum of cre­ativ­i­ty. It is an ilu­sion, and you would be a fool if you think that any­thing you pro­duce with AI is of any worth what­so­ev­er. It will not be of any worth as a cul­tur­al atre­fact and most impor­tant­ly it is of no val­ue to you because you did not strive to bring it into being. It is about the jour­ney not the des­ti­na­tion.