Fine art and real­i­ty TV are typ­i­cal­ly rat­ed our high­est and low­est forms of enter­tain­ment, yet cre­ative com­pe­ti­tion shows com­bine the two. Robin Sloni­na grad­u­at­ed from Chicago’s Art Insti­tute and lived in the gallery world doing sculp­tures, paint­ings and instal­la­tions for sev­er­al years before dis­cov­er­ing body paint­ing and open­ing Skin City Body Paint­ing in Las Vegas, per­haps the fore­most insti­tu­tion of its type in the world.

Robin then served as a judge (along with RuPaul!) on the show Skin Wars for its three sea­sons (2014–2017) before The Game Show Net­work decid­ed that the whole thing was too expen­sive to pro­duce. She joins Mark, Eri­ca, and Bri­an to  fig­ure out the degree to which the com­pe­ti­tion real­i­ty show for­mat lets the art shine through.

To learn more, scan these rel­e­vant arti­cles:

• “The Best Cre­ative Skill Real­i­ty Series Ever” at Ranker
• “The Good, The Bad and the OMFG: Art’s Com­pli­cat­ed Rela­tion­ship with Real­i­ty Tele­vi­sion” by Shan­non Lee
• “10 Years Lat­er, a Look Back at Art’s First Real­i­ty Show” by Kat Her­ri­man
• “Skill-Based Con­tests Are the Best Kind of Real­i­ty TV” by Mar­garet Lions
• “25 Bonkers Real­i­ty Com­pe­ti­tion Shows You For­got Exist­ed” by Reid Naka­mu­ra
• “Week­ly Q&A: Robin Sloni­na on Emphe­mer­al Art, Dirty Cha­rades and ‘Skin Wars’ ” by Leslie Ven­tu­ra

Learn more at prettymuchpop.com. This episode includes bonus dis­cus­sion with Robin about pub­lic art and the protests that you can only hear by sup­port­ing the pod­cast at patreon.com/prettymuchpop. This pod­cast is part of the Par­tial­ly Exam­ined Life pod­cast net­work.

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