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Author of the novel Giovanni’s Room and the nonfiction collection “Notes of a Native Son,” James Baldwin was also a scathing social critic, a witty yet formidable media personality, and a literary ambassador for civil rights. And, as an outspoken gay man, he decried discrimination against gays and lesbians. In 1965, he accepted an invitation by Cambridge University to debate the “father of American conservatism” William F. Buckley on the subject, “The American Dream is at the Expense of the American Negro.” In the video above, Baldwin (introduced as the “star of the evening”) delivers his stirring opening remarks, setting the tone he maintains throughout and pulling his nearly all-white audience to the edge of their seats.
Buckley, founding editor of the conservative journal National Review, had come out four years earlier against desegregation and Civil Rights legislation and was in the midst of his ultimately failed 1965 New York City mayoral campaign. He was always willing to engage with his ideological adversaries (see him debate Noam Chomsky in 1969 on his long-running television program, Firing Line), but remained a staunch opponent of liberalism. In this clip from the debate, Buckley responds to many of Baldwin’s assertions:
Baldwin had just finished his novel Another Country when this debate took place. He was 41, Buckley 40. While both are well-known for the rhetorical savvy on display here, in this case at least, Baldwin proved the more persuasive voice. After the debate, the Cambridge Union Society took a vote and decided the issue in his favor, 540–160.
You can (and should) view the full debate above.
Josh Jones is currently a doctoral student in English at Fordham University and a co-founder and former managing editor of Guernica / A Magazine of Arts and Politics.
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A minor quibble, but Another Country was published in 1962. Wonderful debate!
Powerful debate! One of the most remarkable aspects of it (sadly) is the audience members. Notice how no one is checking a smartphone. They’re all listening. People used to have actual attention spans! Here, captured on film.
i guarantee not everyone’s listening.. if they had smartphones, they’d be checking them. the audience dwindles quite noticeably once baldwin is finished.
The university press where I work published a novel by Algerian writer Nabile Fares that includes an interview with Baldwin about exile and the search for identity.
I saw the live debate and, from time-to-time, I’ve looked for it ever since. I finally gave up, but today turned out to be my lucky day because I found it while looking for something else. Anyway, I finally found it, and I’ll be viewing it again later today. The reason I am here is that I stumbled across your website while looking for Baldwin’s post debate remarks about the debate.I thought it was important to find those remarks, because they were nothing less than a feeble apology for his miserable debate performance, or at least an acknowledgment that Buckley had had his way with him. What were the remarks? Well, I’d like to quote them exactly, but haven’t found them yet. However, when I do I’ll be back. Anyway, Baldwin said that he should have socked Buckley. In other words he was saying that Buckley was impervious to Baldwin’s superior intelligence and logic, so physical force was the only option.
Essentially on Buckley’s part a revisiting of the White Mans Burden first proposed by Rudyard Kipling in his work of the same name. That is to say Western Civilization is sacrosanct and the ultimately definition of it means to be civilised.
so baldwin thought he lost the debate?